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      Tilly is a meme character. CONFIRMED AS CANON. Like we didn't already fucking know this from literally the first episode.

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  2. Razor fist DS9 opinions

    Sorry about that. What do you think?
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    What do you think of Razor fist opinions on deep space 9?
  6. "Black Smoke Over Blue Water"

    "That's good to know." Jake says to Marek looking relieved. Taking another drink listening to Lucius, swishing the water around before he swallowed, immediately warming up to the man's enthusiasm. Leaning forward slightly grinning listening eagerly as the man pantomimed shooting his rifle. "Sounds like you got a plan there my friend." He says with a nod towards Lucius. " Me I don't mind a little shooting, give me a straight up fight any day. Certainly beats playing babysitter to some toe-sucking private contractor who should have kept his ass State-side."
  7. There's stronger evidence than that that AT-ATs may be shielded. They may exhibit shield flashes
  8. Earlier in the episode a tactical droid originally said: "No, the super tanks are not ready, but when they are, the Republic forces will be routed. They have no weapon that can penetrate its heavy armor." Here we go: https://youtu.be/pxmAr3b2fYU?t=4m37s And going strictly by visuals, there's not even a hint of shield effects either. It's the back to back references to shields I originally referenced that counteracts this. In fact, I'd long suspected something similar with the AT-ATs on Hoth, with the speeders successfully firing on one only after it was already down. Obvious shield effects on similar, yet weaker walkers in RO seem to support this. In fact, I suspect the AT-STs and AT-DPs from Rebels also have similar, though weaker variations of this tech bolstering their metal frames. Another interesting piece for examination would be the 1st battle in CW 1:19 "Storm Over Ryloth," featuring multiple droid fighters ramming into Venators, with varying effects. There's even a RotJ style crash into the bridge which, while damaging, was no where near as catastrophic as seen on Executor. The only apparent difference between the two events being the presence of deflector shields. It also appears that there is no direct interaction between the groups capital ships. Here's a quick clip: https://youtu.be/7XuzooG2bvo?t=3m19s
  9. Tribbles vs. Porgs

    Tribbles. They born pregnant and will quickly swallow the island in fur. There seems to be very few if any natural predators for Porgs, so unless the porgs get wise and roll the little fuckers into the ocean to be munched on by big fish they're gonna lose. I don't think Chewie can make enough Tribble Stew and Tribble Sausage to hold back the tide. And then the Klingons will show up and put a blockade around the planet and send down eradication teams, then one will report what the found to the High Council, and then we'll have Klingon Force users. WHY! WHY ROB!? WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS?!
  10. Tribbles vs. Porgs

    So, by act of Random Omnipotent Being (ROB), about 50 or so Tribbles... Have ended up on the planet Ach-To - specifically, the island that Luke was hiding out on. During their stay, the Tribbles run afoul of some of Ach-To's most well-known animals, the Porgs: For reasons known only to animals, the two species have now entered a direct competition for resources. Which one comes out on top? Tribbles, or Porgs?
  11. At 1:29, Anakin clearly says: "They must be Ray shielded!" After the Droids say their shields are inpenetrable...
  12. Well, I've always wanted to be a writer since high school (back when I first joined the *original* ASVS, yeah) and after plopping down thousands of dollars to learn the craft at the *graduate* level I guess I...better not waste my monies. Someone told me that a good way to practice your craft and especially avoid the issues endemic to the "practice novel" is to write "canon fanfiction" and so that's what I'll do. And since I want to be a young adult author (don't ask) I'll write canon young adult fanfiction! So here's a list of fanfiction I plan to write: - A fan novelization of the movie "Ice Princess" I really like this movie, it's a script written by Meg Cabot, and Michelle Trachtenberg kinda reminds me of my ex so seems like a great opportunity! - A fan novelization of the series "Cobblestone Corridor" It's a teen drama series on PBS so...sure! - A novelization of a fan script I wrote for the Disney Channel series "Liv and Maddie" Ummm...maybe I should quit here while I'm ahead. - A fanfiction of the Thrawn Trilogy, to fit somewhere in between the books, using only characters and objects/ships canon to the Thrawn Trilogy no original characters (maybe) - A fanfiction of Star Trek, either of something that can fit within the novels or series, or a fan novelization of an episode (maybe) And hey, maybe I'll actually finish some of my pre-existing fanfiction!
  13. That's not going to happen. That's a logistical impossibility. I'll also address that when I compose my response to Brian's video.
  14. Speaking of 'Older Equipment', the US Military is now thinking about bringing back the F14 (with upgrades) for its original design/purpose, Air Superiority, as opposed to using more expensive and slower Multirole Craft like the F22 and F35 (although the F22 comes WAY closer to the F14's top speed, around 100 mph slower, opposed to the 4,000 mph slower with the F35)
  15. Just to inform you a full analysis of Brian's video *may* be coming soon. In all fairness I don't want to just leave Brian hanging on forever like this with such accusations against the accuracy of his video un-elaborated, but I *do* have much higher life priorities going on right now (an emergency job search, for starters).
  16. Tilly vs Bojack Horseman

    It's the battle of the fucking meme characters because I don't give a fuck about memes anymore.
  17. Far I can tell Terrien Empire or seem disband MACO. Any theories on why Terrien Empire would disband MACO? WE all know Terrien Empire not peace loving agency it blood thirsty.
  18. You guy forget about the New Hope the Millennium Falcon like get destroy that many Tie fighters. Point is that unless the Oberth-class is armed with photon torpedoes it would destroy. By the way that only reason why I think Tie fighters win
  19. 4-way dogfight

    But do those book have info about their "canons"?...... .........dont shoot me.
  20. 4-way dogfight

    Well, StarCraft DOES have canon novels that I can dig up for info - as well as a few comic books and a manga that I can dig through, since, well, they're also canon.
  21. 4-way dogfight

    I think it's hard to compare non Star Wars/Trek sci fi to either. Movies, books, videogames and more have been made for both, you can tell me which company made the cannons on a an X-Wing, can you tell me the same for the Arwing? You can tell me the armor thickness of a Yellowstone Class, can you tell me the same of the Protoss Scout? There's so much cannon and 'possible' readouts for Trek?Wars. Starfox and Starcraft has a couple of video games, Starcraft might have some cannon books? We can apply Science to Wars and Trek (more so to Trek, let's face it). We can look up at least the potential energy output for weapons in the Star Wars/Trek, where as if you do some digging 'The Protoss Scout does 7 DPS to air targets.' How do you translate as something as vague as 'damage per second' into something more sciency?
  22. 4-way dogfight

    I'd like to call attention to the very last line on the stardestroyer.net page too: So the example there only really proves a shot in excess of ~ 390 MJ. Also, while I think the low GJ blast one-shotting a Danube in DS9 is quite relevant, that does involve one of the weakest examples of that ship from when it really was just a transport in season 1. IIRC they underwent a number of military upgrades in response to the Dominion threat as the show went on. The Danube's speed and maneuverability is debatable, depending on whether we're using theoretical capabilities, or strictly visuals, but the huge firing arc provided by the front and rear emitters really work in 'Trek's favor. At worst, I suspect a Danube would match the Millennium Falcon for combat effectiveness, at best it wades through fighters like a miniature capital ship. I don't know enough about Starcraft to even guess how well the Protoss would do. (It's on my to play list.) The Arwing wins by spamming "barrel rolls!" Naw, it's a tough bugger, but it's hard to tell how tough do to the excess of video game logic. My gut tells me it's roughly on par with a Star Wars X-Wing, though it did *supposedly* fly much closer to a star than SW fighters came in the Rebels episode Secret Cargo, and for an extended period.
  23. Talking about the orbital bombardment in Zero Hour, something that struck my about that scene not being a good representation of TL power, was the complete lack of indiscriminate fire landing in the vicinity of Kanan's bike. If that was just spill over from the bombardment of the base, I'd expect to be seeing more random impacts in the general area. It looks more like a smaller weapon not assigned to the bombardment was tracking in on what they assumed to be a recon unit. Additionally in one of the scenes, a TL striking near the base of the shield throws up an debris cloud 50 - 100 meters into the air. You can see it at the lower left part of the screen here @ ~ 0:49: https://youtu.be/ARR0RPrr_rg?t=46s Did it really? I won't be seeing TLJ until it comes to video, but in a video of the bombardment that was briefly on youtube, it looked like the shots were only making maybe MOAB level blasts. Then again there was an impressive, lingering fireball visible from space, but I couldn't tell what exactly led up to that point. I'd really like to see visual confirmation of WMD TLs, I just wasn't sure this was it? I might add a few points on the shield permeability angle. The droid control ship in TPM apparently had a hull hugger or shield/armor hybrid. Long before entering the hangar, fighters were zipping right along the surface: http://www.cap-that.com/starwars/1/images/starwarsI_7884.jpg The same class ship had a visible hull hugger in RoTS: http://www.cap-that.com/starwars/3/images/starwarsIII_0055.jpg It'd be hard to get under a shield hovering only a few meters or less from the hull, even if it is permeable. In the Clone Wars movie after escaping the planet in the stolen shuttle Anakin went to dock with a Venator, but they needed to lower deflectors over the hanger first, at which point a number of Vulture fighters promptly made a kamikaze run inside. They also tend to use the term "armor" rather loosely in SW too. In CW 2:8 "Weapons Factory" a prototype super tank is referenced as having impenetrable armor, but is later clearly stated as using shields for protection: https://youtu.be/10qal0ya_2o?t=1m3s But the shields are apparently inseparable from the armor, not even preventing an explosive from magnetically attaching to the hull: https://youtu.be/kMN7IsopqSs?t=1m20s (Enjoy the CW vintage droid idiocy while you're there ) It also either doesn't block light sabers or the "shield" only covers the outer shell that was retracted to reveal the mortar. The example in RO makes no mention of an opening in the shield. Relevant section from the novel pg 267 Kindle edition: It isn't impossible that the ISD's forward shields were left open too, but the indication is clearly that it left an opening in its defensive firing arc, so this example does little to indicate a projected impenetrable shield. In ANH Dodonna's comment about getting through the DS's deferences is pretty vague, I originally though he was referring to the heavy TL network. The magnetic field they have a choppy ride passing though may have had a defensive purpose. As big and powerful as the DS is, i doubt its there only as a side effect. There also the various collisions we've seen, the Executor in RotJ was apparently only vulnerable after the bridge deflectors went down. Also, smaller objects usually do little to no damage on impact, from Y-Wings crashing harmlessly on the hull of the Malevolence in the CW, to a GR-75 smashing into Vader's ISD in RO, to the exploding asteroids ineffectually smashing against an ISD in ESB. Compared to more damaging collisions and the general use of thin, spaced plates over monolithic hulls I doubt they're tanking those hits by virtue of material strength alone. Sometimes they can get under a shield, sometimes they can't. I have doubts about these variations being the result of linear shield evolution over different eras so much as on ongoing game of rock-paper-scissors with a huge variety of different shield types. So far they've had deflectors, ray shields, magnetic fields/seals, thermal shields, red ones, blue ones, green ones, transparent ones, planar, projected, cascading domes, spherical and hull hugger. Even "shields" that are a part of the armor, but require active power. They might even have some actual fields emanating from the vessels with no clear boundary. SW has a ridiculous amount of different shields and shield accessories.
  24. 50 TIE Fighters vs. 1 Oberth-class Starship

    Hello everyone. Personally I'd usually take any scenario of unsupported SW fighters against 'Trek vessels as unfair for Star Wars, depending on what level of maneuverability is being assigned to the 'Trek vessel at least. If the TIE's are having to chase this thing down as it matches or exceeds their own speed, they've got a problem. If the Oberth is unable/unwilling to turn this into a long range running fight, I agree the TIEs would take it apart with even greater efficiency than the Maquis fighters brought down the Cardassian ship in TNG 7:24 "Preemptive Strike." On a side note, while the case for TIE shields was well made early on, canon is pretty clear that TIE/LNs do not have shields, at least not in the traditional sense. I wouldn't be surprised if they have some sort active system bolstering the hull beyond bare metal, but actual energy shields are a no show. In this case, I'd guess any fire that hits a TIE would bring it down. Heck, even infantry weapons in SW damage them.
  25. In defense of TDiC

    At SFJ.net, JediMasterSpock did a rough analysis and calculation of the Voyager impact: From JMS at SFJ: For a variety of reasons, it is best to model neglecting any inertial dampening first, and see what exactly we are dealing with. Assume that the biobeam is hitting an inert object, and that Voyager does not begin to stabilize until after the initial shot. I would take Voyager as a uniform 150x50x341m ellipsoid (it isn't, of course, but we're ballparking here.) This gives our moment of inertia as 3.5-19.4 x 10^12 kg m^2 depending on axis of rotation. 2/3 of one rotation is roughly 2 radians per second, meaning that we have a rotational energy of 7-41 terajoules and an angular momentum of 7-41 x10^12 kg m^2/s. Exactly what that means in terms of beam energy is in turn dependent on both what the beam is composed of, where it impacted, whether the beam was reflected or absorbed, and at what angle the beam impacted (and, if reflected, what angle(s) it was reflected at). It is highly sensitive to all of those figures, adjusting further by several orders of magnitude depending on these parameters. For example, if the beam was comprised of photons, flipped Voyager nose-over-tail (i.e., about a line drawn through the front of the nacelles), and impacted ~41 meters from the center at a perpendicular angle, my napkin says "3e20 J," which should be right if I haven't made any silly mistakes, the equivalent of about 71 gigatons Go here: You'll find interesting effects. Most of the times, the Phaser fire passes right through enemy ships without even slowing, or apparently losing any strength. Now, on SDN, when it happened with asteroids, they used this to mean that the actual power of the beam was more then the required amount of power necessary to "vaporize" said asteroid. Well, since we know that Hand phasers in ST can heat metals over 2000 degrees Celcius (Nuranium), and that Hand Phasers cannot destroy Capital ships, then that means that to go through a starship hull, you'd need a lot of energy, and even more if your beam goes through without losing any strength. Also, at around 3:10, you'll notice the two Miranda vessels accompanying the Defiant. The first one get destroyed when a torpedo impacts it and makes it spin, while the second one is hit by Phaser or Cardassian beams and the beam has a similar effect. It first passes through, and in turn eventually starts spinning the Miranda. Battle of Chin'Toka, First In this clip we see one torpedo impart angular momentum to one of the Cardassian defense platforms. Scaling grossly from the clip, these platforms are at least 3/4 of the Defiant's length, so around 80 to 100 meters, depending on which Defiant's scaling you use. They probably mass half as much, so in order to impart angular momentum, you probably need triple digit Megatons, or single digit Gigaton. At 1:03, we see a Platform beam hit the Defiant, and once again impart angular momentum. Second Battle of Chin'Toka At 1:36, a pair of Quantum torpedoes hit a Breen vessel ( I believe they are around 300 meters long, so they could be equal in mass to Voyager, about 700 000 metric tons) and, again, impart angular momentum. All these battles have shown us varying firepower (which is normal because we know canonically of the variable yields of ST weapons). From what I've seen, I'm confident that these battles show firepowers ranging from low Megatons to low Gigatons.
  26. Oberth-class Starship verse 50 Tie fighters. Will remember Tie figher cause least some damage Falcon those something 8 Tie fighers. Now we talk 50 Tie fighers here something like this might able destroy Han Sole ship in New Hope. It likely Rebel Alliance heavy upgrade the Falcon once used Rebel ship. We also talk ship design mostly science limit military and total destroy by single BOP with just two photon torpedoes. I say this Millioan Falcon shields at least good as the Oberth class starship. So 50 Tie fighters like strength require down it and they down the Han Sole Falcon as will to for sure.
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